flatblackplastic
Brian Peppers
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Re: lets play...DO ACCAPELLAS EXIST
he aint that bad, but he aint that good either. kinda average, but still i want to use a couple of those beats with somebody else over them.
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ayres
Brian Peppers
Reged: May 13 2004
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Re: lets play...DO ACCAPELLAS EXIST
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I don't mean to hate on anyone, especially the Strut massive who contributed to "It's the Motherfucking Remix" but can I just say that I'm really looking forward to the day that rampant mash-ups go the way of the Atkins diet?
we've gone from 2 Many DJs to Too Many DJs. remixing shit on two turntables is really fun but ultimately disposable. but hip-hop and pop music in general is the same way. i don't have to tell you that blends have been a part of hip-hop djing for a very long time and while there will be a backlash against "mash-up" (critic's word, not mine), blending isn't going anywhere within the context of hip-hop djing. when you stumble across 2 records that go together pitch perfect, with choruses and bridges all in the right place, it's a really euphoric feeling. i love hearing what creative dudes like Green Lantern, Stretch Armstrong, Spinbad and Zeph come up with. it's like party breaks, it breathes life into stale music. and when done right it is part of a good performance as opposed to playing like a robot.
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What's ironic is that, on numerous occassions, I've publicly bemoaned the death of remixes in music industry culture...but mash-ups seem to go the other way, with an excess of too many remixes.
what's ironic is that nobody asked your opinion on this and you gave it anyway 
nick was asking if there are acapellas on those records. sometimes on soulstrut we still talk about records.
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Is this just a sign of the riddim-ification of American music?
that's an interesting idea. there are shitloads of records coming out with reggae acapellas and specials over hip-hop beats, everybody freestyle on mixtapes over the same beats, not mention all the horrible house remixes of everything. but i think it's a sign that a bunch of bedroom djs have figured out how to use multitracking software more than it is a cultural movement.
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cardova
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Re: lets play...DO ACCAPELLAS EXIST
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while there will be a backlash against "mash-up" (critic's word, not mine), blending isn't going anywhere within the context of hip-hop djing. when you stumble across 2 records that go together pitch perfect, with choruses and bridges all in the right place, it's a really euphoric feeling.
exactly.
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Salary_Diz
Braek Collector
Reged: Jan 27 2005
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Loc: Definitely ready for Halloween....
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Re: lets play...DO ACCAPELLAS EXIST
Dang, I had a few that I was wondering about too, but now I can't think of what they were.....arrrggggg
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mannybolone
G.O.A.T.
Reged: Nov 01 2003
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Re: lets play...DO ACCAPELLAS EXIST
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what's ironic is that nobody asked your opinion on this and you gave it anyway
Like what you're doing?
My man - giving unsolicited opinions is the Soul Strut way. How boring would this site be otherwise?
To holler back on some of your points...
Are mash-ups and blends the same thing? Yes and no. In a general sense - looking at both as acapellas set over different instrumentals, then sure, they're the same thing. Especially when people suggest, "wow, this mash-up thing is really cool and new," I want to start screaming, "dudes, Ron G was doing this shit at least 10 years ago." I think that's the reason people are often quick to say, "fuck mash-ups, that's just a critic's term" - they want to remind folks that the mash-up tradition didn't come out of thin air.
However, at this point, whether we like it or not, mash-ups have acquired a life of their own and regardless if people like the term or not, it's out there and enough people buy into it: DJs, media, record sites, etc. that we're stuck with it. I think the line b/t a blend and a mash-up is thin but it's one of those, "you know it when you hear it."
I appreciate Urrrs breakdown of whether or not mash-ups reflect the riddim-inization of American musical aesthetics. He posits that it's more a reflection of technological accessibility - now that you can make beats off your cell phone, it's encouraging hundreds of bedroom DJs to try their hand out. I'd add though, that distribution is the other advancement that plays a key role here since my point was that it's become easier than ever for productions to move from the bedroom into the "real world" which is what leads to what I think is a glut of material.
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Jonny_Paycheck
Soulstrut's Drunk Uncle
Reged: Apr 07 2004
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Loc: The Big Chief like plenty of Firewater
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Re: lets play...DO ACCAPELLAS EXIST
I always thought a "mash up" was like, Dipset over Sabbath. IE, two great tastes that taste great together
Otherwise, it's just a "blend"
Correct?
Using this definition, I really could care less if "mash ups" went the way of the dodo. Or the dido.
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SouthCrackalack
Studio Carpet
Reged: Mar 24 2004
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what about those roc-a-fella kanye singles that have the acapella but not the instrumental???
Maybe he's afraid that that his beats might sound better with somebody else's acapella on them?!?
(just speculatin', not hatin'... I'm one of what seems like a small minority that thinks that Kanye is dope as a rapper)
co-sign..I never thought I would admit it..since I didnt really care for his production that much. but I like his rapping..he can be pretty clever..which is hard to find these days.
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ayres
Brian Peppers
Reged: May 13 2004
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Re: lets play...DO ACCAPELLAS EXIST
o-dub, you said something to the effect of "no offense to the cats that did It's The Motherfucking Remix CD but mash-ups need to die." so i thought i would weigh in, since you were mentioning my shit. a major part of soulstrut is unsollicited opinions, and threadjacking. and another one is piping up when somebody puts your name in their mouth *pause* it's all love, of course you know that *"*
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I think that's the reason people are often quick to say, "fuck mash-ups, that's just a critic's term" - they want to remind folks that the mash-up tradition didn't come out of thin air.
However, at this point, whether we like it or not, mash-ups have acquired a life of their own and regardless if people like the term or not, it's out there and enough people buy into it: DJs, media, record sites, etc. that we're stuck with it.
we're stuck with the term "electronica," too, but you'll never hear me use that word in a sentence.
there are two ways of thinking about the term mash-up that i've heard. one is that a mash-up is when you put two unlikely songs together, for instance BIG over Nine Inch Nails or Dolly Parton over Buju Banton. the second way of thinking about it is that a mash-up is a remix that can't be performed live, only produced in a computer, and doesn't require records at all. like all those kids that are downloading accapellas and beats, time-stretching and -compressing them, tuning them, editing the hell out of them, putting on lots of effects, etc. when i think of a mash-up i think more the former, even though that would mean admitting that some of what i do is mash-up. but i still hate the word!
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distribution is the other advancement that plays a key role here since my point was that it's become easier than ever for productions to move from the bedroom into the "real world" which is what leads to what I think is a glut of material.
that's true
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mannybolone
G.O.A.T.
Reged: Nov 01 2003
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Loc: 312 taxi zone
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Dolly Parton over Buju Banton.
somewhere out in williamsburg some dude really is making this.
I think I've already heard it.
Urrs - again, I wasn't dissing YOUR CD per se (sheeeeet, I highlighted it on Soul-Sides.com). I really liked the CD despite my general mash-up/remix/blend/whateveryouwanttocallit phobia.
BUT I'd like to think "The Motherfucking Remix" was the last word on that shit and bedroom DJs can retune their Pro Tools elsewhere.
I mean, maybe Dolly over Buju (pause) would sound fantastic but I'm not sure that, alone, justifies actually doing it.
I'm just throwing the thought out there. I get the sense from others that people are getting a bit exhausted by the volume coming out but maybe that's just limited to people who buy their records from Turntablelab.com.
By the way, I think electronica is a flawed term too but it has its usefulness as a form of short hand. Just like mash-ups do.
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paulnice
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Reged: Nov 04 2003
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Re: lets play...DO ACCAPELLAS EXIST
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Especially when people suggest, "wow, this mash-up thing is really cool and new," I want to start screaming, "dudes, Ron G was doing this shit at least 10 years ago."
And Kid Nice, Eddie On and Mastermind ten years before that.
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