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Herm.
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An Open Apology To Kanye West

      #438624 - Thu Sep 15 2005 05:07 AM

An Open Apology To Kanye West

Herm. Said:

So tonight I'm at my first ever Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings show. Shit was DOPE. Took Moms - who's also 50-ish and can saaaaaang her ass off - and she loved it. Really though, everything I can say has been said many times before and in better ways. In short, if you have the opportunity to see them perform, GO.

Okay, now that I got that out of the way....

So after the standard "Thank you and goodnight!" faux-walk-off-stage-and-return-for-encore maneuver, the band kicks in with a rather familiar beat. I snap into "OH SHIT!" mode, trying to figure out who sampled it. I pulled out my celly cell and used the 'record' function to capture a snippet of it in case I got distracted and "lost" the sound. (I'm the type of dude who usually has to replay the sample over & over in my head - sometimes for hours - before I can remember.)

During the final seconds of the song it hits me:

"I don't like it unless it's BRAND NEW!/You might see me in my BRAND NEW! whiiiiiip with my BRAND NEW! biiiitch..."

That Rhymefest/Kanye shit! So right after the song, dudes (and Sharon) get off stage and into the audience to meet & greet folks. So I got my little Sharpie and the Dap-Dippin' With... LP that I had just bought (and more importantly to the story, NEVER before heard) and approach them for an autograph.

After huggin' and cheek-kissin' Ms. Jones, I hit up one of the band members:

Me: "Great show, man! Hey, what was that last song you just played?"

Band dude: "It's called 'Pick It Up, Lay It In The Cut.'"

Me (in sample-spotter mode & not necessarily "up" on my Funk knowledge): "Dope, Kanye just sampled it. Who's it by?"

Band dude: "Wait, Kanye just sampled it?"

Me: "Yeah. Well, actually, it's a Rhymefest song, but Kanye's on it and he produced it. So who did the song?"

Band dude: "Ummmm, us. It's on this album right here."

Me (to self): "Ohhhhhhh fuuuuuuck."

Dude turned around and told the rest of the crew what I had just told him and they all started talking about it.

Damn, I fucked up. But in my defense, I thought they were doing another cover! I mean, they started the night with that song that Ice T sampled for "Lethal Weapon" (Sample FAQ says it's "Razor Blade" by Little Royal & the Swingmasters), so I figured they were ending the night with one, too! I mean, dude in the band IS Daptone Records, right? So if the sampled was cleared, he'd have already known, right? Well apparently, HE didn't and I guess IT wasn't.

So, if you're reading this Kanye or Rhymefest, I AM SORRY. I didn't meant to put you on blast and I hope this doesn't affect you at all legally. Who knows, maybe J Records DID clear the sample and maybe dude doesn't own his publishing so that's why he was unaware of it. In any case, I apologize.

Herm


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Martin
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West
[Re: Herm.]

      #438625 - Thu Sep 15 2005 05:12 AM

Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West

Martin Said:

technically wouldnt the label have to pay sharon jones?

win/win?


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Herm.
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West
[Re: Martin]

      #438627 - Thu Sep 15 2005 05:21 AM

Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West

Herm. Said:

Quote:

technically wouldnt the label have to pay sharon jones?

win/win?




Actually, I don't think Sharon Jones composes any of the material. It's my understanding that dude that owns Daptone does.

BTW, you can hear a snippet of the OG here. Kanye freaked that shit lovely.

Herm

P.S. I hope Daptone was paid for this, especially since they're the smaller fish in this situation.



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roisto
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West
[Re: Martin]

      #438628 - Thu Sep 15 2005 05:30 AM

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roisto Said:

Unlike Kanye, these dudes aren't swimming in money, so it's Kanye who should apologize - and pay.

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Bsides
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West
[Re: roisto]

      #438635 - Thu Sep 15 2005 06:38 AM

Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West

Bsides Said:

Was it a major label single?


Are you sure it was them he sampled?

I always thought that shit was just some throwaway beat.




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Jonny_Paycheck
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West
[Re: Bsides]

      #438647 - Thu Sep 15 2005 07:32 AM

Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West

I don't think it's been released yet, and I'm sure it will be cleared or would have been cleared at some point

But yeah, not your smoothest move holmes-slice


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roisto
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West

      #438650 - Thu Sep 15 2005 07:35 AM

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roisto Said:

It's out already.

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Jonny_Paycheck
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West
[Re: roisto]

      #438651 - Thu Sep 15 2005 07:38 AM

Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West

Quote:

It's out already.




oh.


doh!


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SonicReducer
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West
[Re: roisto]

      #438667 - Thu Sep 15 2005 08:20 AM

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It's out already.




There's no sample credits on the 12" - it's a J Records promo.

I can only find my 45 of "Pick It Up..." but is the "Brand new" vocal hers too?

Sharon Jones & Dap Tones = Get paid!

SONIC


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SPlDEY
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West

      #438669 - Thu Sep 15 2005 08:32 AM

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SPlDEY Said:

After I got to see Sharon and the Daps.(which was an amazing fucking show and I agree everyone should go see them if they can)I was talking with Tom the rhythm guitarist, and I believe his EXACT words were:

"Fuck a sample, Pay us Royalties!"

- spidey


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bull_ox
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West
[Re: roisto]

      #438688 - Thu Sep 15 2005 09:54 AM

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bull_ox Said:

Quote:

It's out already.




But its only out on promo- no one's made any $$$ off it yet

I don't think you need to clear something you're giving away


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NateBizzo
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West
[Re: bull_ox]

      #438695 - Thu Sep 15 2005 10:17 AM

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NateBizzo Said:

Quote:

Quote:

It's out already.




But its only out on promo- no one's made any $$$ off it yet

I don't think you need to clear something you're giving away




You for sure need to clear it.

I've been battling with this on a promo CD I'm working on.

If you not a big dude it doesn't really matter, but if you're established and promoting something no matter if it's free or not, you need to clear it.


If you are marketing yourself by using something you need to clear that shit.

It sucks.


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bull_ox
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West

      #438697 - Thu Sep 15 2005 10:20 AM

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bull_ox Said:

Thats funny as fuck if it is SJ though- I recognized it but couldn't place it, I was assuming it was Ohio Players or some shit...

Daptone needs to get PAID


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The_Hook_Up
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West
[Re: bull_ox]

      #438701 - Thu Sep 15 2005 10:23 AM

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Bosco and Daptone needs to get paid!!!!! if they havent already... Why apologize to Kanye? Shit, like he needs another dumb ass polo teddy bear sweater...also, we got "Late Registration" in at the shop last week, I listened to it..I dont get it, this guy is supposed to be top of the heap hip hop wise now, right? Oh well...

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djannaModerator
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Re: An Open Apology To Kanye West

      #438709 - Thu Sep 15 2005 10:28 AM

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djannaModerator Said:

I'm confused. This is a Rhymefest song? Rhymefest's signed to J Records???

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